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Your tags on that kawrou post are perfect. You made me laugh so hard. Kawrou, you really blew it buddy.

ritsumaya-deactivated20160612 answered:

3.33 Kaworu really makes me want to bite through my space bar and ascend to the next direction of pure, unadulterated anger. Certainly, characterisation in the Rebuild of Evangelion series in general was almost certainly intended to piss off fans (or rather, to pander to certain demographics to showcase how incorrect those demographics’ views of “what Evangelion should be” are, but that’s another post for another time and is more speculation of Studio Khara’s motives than actual analysis/etc.), but 3.33 Kaworu/Qworu strikes me as a particularly obvious example.

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hylean asked:

what are nerv's (specifically, gendo's) and seele's actual goals in eva, and how exactly do they oppose each other? how do these goals differ in the eva movies?

ritsumaya-deactivated20160612 answered:

Ah, all right. I think that I did talk about this briefly in one analysis, but I’ll go more into depth here. I’m writing this on mobile, so apologies for the lack of pictures and formatting and double apologies if autocorrect fudges anything up!

In Neon Genesis Evangelion, SEELE believes that Instrumentality and the return to Lilith is the correct path for humanity to take. In NGE2, the second-tier canon video game that was heavily influenced and partially written by the Project EVA staff, we witness SEELE’s version of Instrumentality, wherein they utilise Tabris/Nagisa Kaworu/Adam (as opposed to Ayanami Rei/Lilith) as the quantum messenger. Under SEELE’s command, the souls are harvested, with the souls of the members of SEELE surviving as immortal beings while the rest of humanity dies. In the anime, Ikari Yui opposes their goals and intends for an Instrumentality for everyone, which suggests that SEELE did it not plan to include all of humanity, which in turn supports NGE2’s explanation of SEELE’s intentions to be canonical. However, SEELE’s dialogue in End of Evangelion appears to suggest otherwise; the film portrays SEELE as a deeply religious organisation who sincerely believed in Instrumentality, perhaps because the members’ own hearts were empty and desiring death/escapism. I view SEELE as a combination of both: Given Yui’s commentary, I think that either SEELE initially intended the selves-as-gods Instrumentality and later changed their minds (after Yui’s death), OR that SEELE intended the selves-as-gods Instrumentality but recognised that plans had shifted as of End of Evangelion, prompting SEELE to simply be content with being tanged themselves.

The director’s cut of the twenty-fourth episode includes a very misleading conversation between Kaworu and SEELE. During the conversation, SEELE claims to support the angels as the true successors and assures Kaworu that the members do not plan to utilise Unit 01 as their private ark. Yet SEELE is lying blatantly to Kaworu in an attempt to manipulate Kaworu into taking out Gendo (re: NGE2). Kaworu, of course, listens very patiently to them, nods, smiles, and proceeds to dive into Terminal Dogma because the Fifth Children is suicidal and intends to return to being one with Adam because of that heart, overflowing with sorrow, as Rei puts so eloquently in End of Evnagelion. Anyway, the reason that I bring this up is because SEELE lies directly to Kaworu about the support of the angels and Gendo’s purpose. Hence, it is reasonable to interpret that SEELE likewise lied about not wanting to use Unit 01 as a private ark to ride out Instrumentality. Ikari Yui actually ends up using Unit 01 as an ark and becomes immortal in End of Evangelion, but I’ve already commented on Yui’s grey morality.

Now, Gendo. Gendo intended to use Rei to control Instrumentality; that’s why he implanted Lilith’s soul into the body and raised the First Children to be perfectly obedient to him. That’s also why he split Lilith’s soul in two, because a partial soul is less responsive and volatile than a full soul, hence, obedience. His specific goal was to reunite with Yui and spend eternity with her. This implies that he only wanted partial Instrumentality, so that he could still conceptualise the difference between himself and Yui. In any case, Rei III more or less gave him the metaphorical finger, took in Adam/Kaworu’s soul, and returned to Lilith.

In the Rebuilds/new theatrical versions, SEELE is implied in the third film to no longer have corporeal forms and to have somehow watched over humanity for quite a while. While the Illuminati nature of SEELE may explain the latter, the former is a bit more questionable. SEELE does not seem to be antagonistic and appears to wish for Instrumentality again, this time genuinely believing that Instrumentality and/or infinity is the way to go. It’s unclear if SEELE would prefer the former or the latter, but based upon the anime, it’s most probably the former.

Regarding the latter: The third film revealed that the Third Impact caused the proliferation of EVA-based life, being the combination of the Fruits of Life and Knowledge possessed by the angels and lilim, respectively. Because the Third Impact was stopped, the remains of the failed Impact are known as the failures of infinity.

As for Gendo’s plan, all we know is that he intends to reunite with Yui, that he lied to SEELE and purposefully interfered with both SEELE and Kaworu/Shinji’s plans in order to take out SEELE and Kaworu, and that he will put his true plan in motion in the fourth film.

(Kaworu/Shinji, by the way, intended to use the Lances of Longinus and Cassius to in some manner reverse or undo the effects of Third Impact. The most likely explanation is that Kaworu wanted to use Shinjiwielding the Fruit of Knowledgeto cause another Impact, this time lilim-based, since Impacts also terraform the planet. The effects of the Lance of Cassius are unknown at this time. Basically, Kaworu decided to give SEELE and NERV metaphorical middle fingers and fly away with Shinji in the sunset. Except that Kaworu was grossly misinformed, both on the Lances and on Shinji’s status as a F.A.R.)

We won’t actually be able to answer these questions until the fourth film comes out. So ask again then, and I’m sorry for being inconclusive!

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Anonymous asked:

I'm sorry if you've already answered this question or if it's already in one of your essays (haven't looked through all of them yet), but whose soul does unit-00 possess? i've only read theories saying that it was Naoko Akagi or Rei I (the youngest Rei who was choked by Naoko)

ritsumaya-deactivated20160612 answered:

Ah! It’s fine if you haven’t read my essays (that tag is truly daunting, I know). And no, I haven’t answered this yet! I’m still on mobile, so I apologise for the lack of images and if autocorrect fudges anything gup (writing all of this out is pretty taxing on the thumbs, phew).

The simple answer: the soul residing within Unit 00 is the other part of Rei/Lilith’s soul.

To be honest, I wasn’t aware that anyone thought that Unit 00’s soul was Naoko, or that there was a controversy at all. Oops. I should read more analyses of Evangelion by other people, I guess. I can understand why one could come to that conclusion, though, since Naoko is indeed a “mother” (like Yui and Kyouko, the souls of Unit 01 and 02 and the mothers of Shinji and Asuka, respectively) and since Naoko would indeed hold a grudge against Ritsuko, Rei II, and Gendo (considering the two times that Unit 00 went berserk during testing).

However, it’s pretty painfully clear that the Unit 00 soul is the other part of Rei. When Gendo created a genetic clone of Yui, he required a soul for the clone to live; he extracted Lilith’s soul (similar to how SEELE extracted Adam’s soul to place into Tabris/Nagisa Kaworu). Rei I was a cruel child who smirked viciously whilst cutting Naoko down in the most brutal manner possible. It’s possible that Rei may have simply been repeating what Gendo had said, but the cruel smirk on the child’s face hints otherwise. After Naoko’s murder of Rei I and suicide of herself, Gendo split the soul in two. The motherly and vicious qualities went into the EVA; the rest went into Rei II.

The origins of Rei II’s lack of emotional response and complete apathy hold multiple possible roots. I hold that Rei has schizoid personality disorder, or at least symptoms very akin to SPD. It’s possibly that Rei’s childhood, trained to simply be a submissive soldier and never seen as a person except as a replacement for Ikari Yui, caused the First Children to develop said apathy. It’s possible that the medicine that Ritsuko gives the First Children (as seen in Rei’s apartment) serve, either primarily or additionally, as suppressants, in order for Ritsuko and Gendo to work with the most docile, obedient pilot possible. It’s possible that only having part of the soul left Rei without the necessary components to fully experience emotion (we do know that splitting the soul can result in insanity and the desire for death, as seen in Asuka’s mother). It’s most probable that the First Children’s apathy/SPD-like symptoms arise from some combination of the above and other potential causes.

Rei I, particularly the more vicious part, would definitely bear a grudge against Gendo, against Ritsuko (as a stand-in for Naoko, in the Evangelion theme of the child becoming the parent), and again Rei II, the part of the soul that is “free” in some sense. Unit 00’s berserk moments certainly hold in that manner.

Even more telling: During test in which Shinji and Rei switch places, Shinji momentarily connects with Rei/Lilith in Unit 00, identifying the presence as Rei, after which Unit 00 goes berserk. When Rei enters the plug of Unit 01, the First Children comments that the plug merely smells like “Ikari-kun”. By contrast, Shinji has a distinct impression of “Ayanami”, to a point of seeing flashes and so forth. Which, again, is followed immediately by Unit 00 manifesting agency and going berserk. As well, in episode twenty-three, when Armisael infects Unit 00, Rei II attempts to identify the presence, first as Rei II, then as “the me in the EVA”, and finally as the angel. “The me in the EVA”, which is distinct from both Rei II and from Armisael? Seems like the only logical explanation is the Rei/Lilith soul-part in Unit 00.

Following Rei II’s self-sacrifice in that twenty-third episode, the First Children seems to become colder again. Quite a few people consider this backwards character development. But not at all: because Unit 00 was also destroyed, Rei III now contains the full Lilith soul, the same soul as was in Rei I. Rei III recalls the years spent in the EVA, understands emotion better than Rei II, and recognises Gendo as the piece of shit that he is. Rei III also either is aware or becomes aware that the soul within the body is Lilith. Rei III, if you recall, dislikes Gendo, as visible in the First Children’s interactions with Gendo’s glasses (once Rei II’s most treasured possession) and as seen in End of Evangelion, wherein Rei III directly tells Gendo, “I am not your tool,” and subsequently joins Lilith. Rei III, representing the unification of the two split halves of Rei II’s soul in addition to the maturity experienced by Rei II (which explains why Rei III is significantly different from Rei I: both soul halves have experienced immense development and experience), kicks ass.

(In case you can’t tell, I love Rei. A lot. What a fantastic character and person.)

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Anonymous asked:

Hi there! I really adore your eva analysis and I was wondering if you'd ever written anything on the subject of Yui Ikari. (I looking around for something relating to that, but I didn't find anything! My mistake if you have and I missed it somehow.) If you ever have the time, would you ever considering writing something regarding her potential motivation or role in NGE? I'd love to hear your thoughts on her! Either way, I love your blog! uvu

ritsumaya-deactivated20160612 answered:

Ahh, goodness gracious! Thank you so much for the kind words, and I’m terribly sorry about the late response. I’ve been mostly internet-less for half a month now (the occasional post you see might either my queue or one of the few times in which I have the time/ability to write

Regarding Ikari Yui (by the way, Ikari Yui »»» Ayanami Yui for a variety of reasons), I haven’t written an analysis specific to her, but I have written on her during my Hedgehog’s Dilemma essay. It’s mostly about how Ikari Gendo and Fuyutsuki Kozo misinterpret who Yui is and what her goals are, so you’ll probably find your answer there. If not, toss me another ask (don’t be shy! It won’t be a bother at all, I promise! I love analysing EVA).

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kainguroo

wait in rebuilds did they change her name to Ayanami Yui b/c that is some bullshit

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Haha yeah Rebuild Yui is “Ayanami Yui” complete with

a complete lack of agency during the Zeruel fight (so much for eldritch horror Yui)
related: a lack of her agency earlier, such as her protecting Shinji from the falling rocks
a shot of her tied up in the “engine” of Unit 01, implying her to be in great danger as if she were a trapped princess in need of Shinji’s saving
a lack of implication of Yui intending or plotting anything in favour of everything being Gendo’s fault with Yui having no input whatsoever.

It’s possible that Fuyutsuki was lying his ass off to Shinji to prompt Shinji to do things in an attempt to save hte mommy or otherwise manipulate Shinji and that eldritch horror Yui will rise in 4.44, but given the robbing of her agency in the Zeruel fight in favour of “GIVE AYANAMI BACK OR I WILL SET THE ENTIRE WORLD ON FIRE RISE UP YOUNG BOY AND MAKE YOURSELF THE SHOUNENSHIT HERO”, I think that the EVA team merely simplified the roles of both Yui and Gendo into the damsel in distress and the Evil Father Overlord [adjusts glasses] that the fans made the characters out to be.

(Gendo is indeed an asshole, but he’s a complex asshole, dammit.)

I swear, the New Theatricals are basically a fucking experiment in the filtration of reality. “Oh this is what you kids thought that so and so character should be? Here you fuckin’ go! Enjoy! Gotta go save your imprisoned mother Shinji-kun!”

Dammit, Anno, when did Rebuild turn into the third Pokémon film?

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Anonymous asked:

do you think that, based off your eva analysis and the hedgehog's dilema, toji doesnt show up in nge after the angel attack bc he came over the hedgehog dilema? like.. he is pretty much the only character ive seen in neg who has been able to take the reality of others and accept it, before eoe.

ritsumaya-deactivated20160612 answered:

Mm, you know, I honestly hadn’t quite considered that before. It’s true that Toji appears more down to Earth and ready to accept reality as is.

Yet Toji, too, is a product of the constraints placed upon him in the Hedgehog’s Dilemma society, regarding the manner in which he filters reality through “violence” and his seemingly intrinsic masculinity. On the former he not only hits Shinji to work out his emotions but also has Shinji hit him back in order to establish a line of communication between them, and so on: Since he cannot interact with another human being on an emotionally open level, he does so via the proxy of “masculine” contact (e.g. violence). Indeed, by placing full responsibility of his sister’s hospitalisation on Shinji, Toji narrows a grey worldview (what about the angel? What about NERV having forced Shinji to pilot? Could Toji have acted more responsibly during the attack and thereby prevented his sister from being wounded? and so on) into an extremely black-and-white portrait that transfers the full weight of responsibility to Shinji. Unfairly to Shinji. Narrowing one’s perception of reality? Hm.

His blatant refusal to consider anything feminine (a trait carried over for comedic purposes to the Rebuilds) is linked to his filtration of reality. In this case he has squeezed himself into the box of masculine-approved activities and feelings, perceiving his world as split into a non-existent duality.

Moreover Toji suffers from the Hedgehog’s Dilemma as well. Not only does he hide the truth of his pilothood from Kensuke and Shinji (the former of which is wholly apathetic, the latter of which does not know and cannot ask Toji why he’s been so downcast recently, because that would open a mode of communication unacceptable to a reality filtered through “masculinity”), but he and Hikari likewise dance through their communication with one another. Hikari communicates through her filtration of reality. Toji, through his. As a result their “relationship” is one of gently dancing around each other instead of truly expressing their feelings.

The sequence of Hikari humming happily as she prepares lunch, firm in her belief that she has at last made a break-through in her relation with Toji, while Toji is nearly dying in the EVA, is horrifying.

Hedgehog’s Dilemma indeed.

Yet Toji also takes part in one of the most bizarre sequences in all of Evangelion. While in the hospital, Toji has a moment of pre-Instrumentality, where he momentarily exists in the boundaries of Shinji’s Hell Train. The sequence itself is brief: Toji recognise Shinji and wonders what they’re doing here. But given what we know of Instrumentality—specifically, what Instrumentality represents (gaining empathy first for yourself and then for everyone)—that short clip supports that Toji has begun to resolve the Hedgehog’s Dilemma and cease to filter his reality.

Canonically, he and Kensuke aren’t seen again. Toji’s hospitalised and eventually moves away. Kensuke also moves away. Hikari sticks around enough to provide an escape for Asuka, but after Asuka flees the Horaki household, they, too, move away (taking Pen² with them). At least they’re around in Instrumentality.

Did I miss anything? Please let me know! At any rate, thank you for the interesting question: I love talking about minor characters.

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Anonymous asked:

ritsumaya-deactivated20160612 answered:

Regarding Ikari Yui (by the way, Ikari Yui »>>>> Ayanami Yui for a variety of reasons), I haven’t written an analysis specific to her, but I have written on her during my Hedgehog’s Dilemma essay. It’s mostly about how Ikari Gendo and Fuyutsuki Kozo misinterpret who Yui is and what her goals are, so you’ll probably find your answer there. If not, toss me another ask (don’t be shy! It won’t be a bother at all, I promise! I love analysing EVA).

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blackdionysus asked:

Your eva analyzations have done so much for me but, if isn't any trouble, would you mind explaining Instrumentality to me. I mean I understand as much as you've already explained like Yui, Gendo, and SEELE's intentions with it and everything but that's all I know about it. I guess I'm mostly confused about, like, how they initiate it, why they did it the way they did, why angel cores, why Evas, what "Awakening" was, how Impacts worked and Kaworu's plan in 3.0. Actually that's a lot wow.

ritsumaya-deactivated20160612 answered:

Phew. That’s a bit of a tall order, but I can certainly make an attempt. If there’s anything that I neglect to cover, please throw another ask or five into my box and I’ll get you covered.

(Also, once again, I sincerely apologise for the delay between your message and my response. I’m getting through my inbox, ever so slowly. I really am!)

So, onwards to Instrumentality. Might I suggest grabbing a bottle of Tang to go along with the mental meal?

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hylean asked:

do you think the eva series accepts or rejects the freudian theories on motherhood (sexual attraction to mothers, blaming mothers for various reasons, even general #misogyny)?

ritsumaya-deactivated20160612 answered:

That’s a very difficult question to answer without analysing the series as a whole. Also, I honestly have read Freud only via secondary sources, so I’m not sure what exactly that school of thought’s theories are. But while Evangelion lifts concepts from Freud/etc., the series has its own themes, and I didn’t particularly see a misogynistic message within Evangelion, except for the fact that there’s a ton of fanservice and Anno has made a fortune on the exploitation of fourteen-year-old girls, but that’s not a thematic message per se).

Evangelion certainly lifts the concept of separating from the mother/the mother as the first other, but the series breaks that concept and intertwines it with the greater theses of the Hedgehog’s Dilemma and the filtration of reality (check out my analysis page and my Cruel Angel’s Thesis essay on that). There is a component of sexual attraction to the mother, particularly with regards to viewing Instrumentality as having sexual intercourse with Rei-Kaworu-Lilith-Adam, which represents Shinji’s mother and the mothers of the lilim and angels, but Shinji ultimately rejects that. We could theoretically view that as a rejection of the sexual attraction to the mother in the same go.

Similarly, Evangelion doesn’t seem to point towards the mothers as faulty, except for certain characters who have issues with their mothers, but that’s typically framed as being on the fault of the character. For instance, Ritsuko dislikes Naoko because Naoko was never really a good mother, yet Naoko is no more villainised than any of the adults (Misato’s father is also villainised because he similarly wasn’t around, etc.). I think that Evangelion has a general rejection of parents as figures of ultimate good.

Huh. This question really makes me think. I think that Evangelion certainly interacts with Freudian themes, but I don’t think that the series validates them so much as uses them as a springboard, except perhaps for the whole death of the father/sex with the mother shtick that’s so important in End of Evangelion, which is … again, rejected in favour of true reality. I personally love the symbolism of the birth into true reality after one has destroyed one’s filters, and I hadn’t thought of it in Freudian terms. There’s also the whole you just want a mother you can have sex with thing, which actually sounds kind of true, considering the traditional role of the woman. Let’s get heteronormative here: The stereotypical man seeks a woman who will take care of him but from whom sexual pleasure is also constantly available. There’s a reason that make me a sandwich and the friendzone are so common in modern life. It’s still true of many people, unfortunately (it’s also the source of that old horrible joke about how men need to find themselves a wife and a mistress, with the implication that the wife is basically acting as a stand-in mother).

I’m going to rewatch the series and return to this question later after I pay attention to stuff like that. I apologise for being inconclusive. If anything has a view that they’d like to share, I’m all ears.

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erogesekaiseifuku erogesekaiseifuku

I’m pretty sure he’s emotionally broken enough to the point where it doesn’t matter who it is as long as they have some sort of positive influence in his life.

It’s pretty obvious that he loved him, that doesn’t somehow change the fact that shinji no matter what relationship he’s in is going to add problems to it in some form or another.

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Well, sure, considering the fact that Kaworu showed up and was the first person to say I love you to him, to accept him for who he was, to tell him that he was worthy of empathy and love. For someone suffering from depression, that’s a godsend. However, that negates neither Kaworu nor Shinji’s feelings towards one another.

Ah, I see. So you’re arguing (I apologise if I’m putting words in your mouth, but I’m attempting to parse your argument here; English is not my first language) that I shouldn’t call out Asushin while simultaneously preferring Kawoshin? Is your argument that Shinji, a human being, is going to inevitably cause relationship issues? Of course every relationship is going to have issues. Shinji, from his avoidant personality disorder, depression, and repressed anger/tendency towards violence, is most likely going to have issues slightly more pointed than those of a more neurotypical human being. Still, any human being will inevitably bring issues to the table in any relationship.

However, I doubt that Kawoshin would be nearly as dysfunctional as Asushin. As we see in the admittedly meagre space that we have, Kaworu is incredibly forgiving and accepting, can slip into Shinji’s inner world without triggering his avoidant defences, and is willing to spend quite a bit of time with and give quite a bit of attention to Shinji. In fact, a relationship with Kaworu would likely help Shinji stabilise himself by giving him a support on which to fall back. Since Kaworu would not leave Shinji, Shinji wouldn’t have to worry about his support abruptly evaporating. In time, perhaps, the consistent output of affection and support from Kaworu would boost Shinji’s confidence in a manner similar to the false boost from Misato’s output that traversed Shinji’s pseudo-positive character development during episodes one to early sixteen. Yet Kaworu, being almost entirely selfless and giving, as evidenced by the willing to die for the lilin to survive, would, in time, ingrain the idea of Shinji as someone worthy of love in Shinji’s psyche. Speaking as someone who has battled with and is battling depression, I can say that simply hearing someone else affirm you or say that they love/admire/etc. you without the pressure of reciprocation or reaction can do wonders for managing day-to-day nadirs.

No, a relationship cannot “heal” a severe psychological or mental trauma of the sort that Shinji has experienced. However, a support network (with which Kaworu would also have assisted, given the angel’s inclination to incorporate Rei and presumably others into a social circle) can certainly assist with managing and ultimately lessening the psychological issues as well as allowing the affected party the ability to perform self-introspection and heal in that manner. At the very least, Kaworu would be capable of “tiding [Shinji] over” until Shinji could receive professional assistance and medication.

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Anonymous asked:

If Kaworu loves Shinji so much, why does he allow himself to die even though that would do more harm for Shinji than good?

ritsumaya-deactivated20160612 answered:

For a variety of reasons. Once again, let’s take a look at both the canonical and the thematic reasons for Kaworu dying.

Canonical. One thing that you have to recall is that Kaworu’s life doesn’t actually revolve around Shinji. And people who love other people can be suicidal. [nervous laughter] Indeed, Kaworu has had issues over the course of the past fifteen years (much like Shinji); unfortunately, Kaworu keeps all issues and problems inside instead of showing them to … anyone.

Did you know that in the original draft of episode twenty-four, Kaworu wore long sleeves? At one point, a sleeve came up, and Shinji was able to see scars on the inside of Kaworu’s wrist. Kaworu said nothing and Shinji said nothing. Yet the point was there: Kaworu had far, far more going on inside than Shinji realised. Because, y’know, Hedgehog’s Dilemma and all of that.

Shinji saw exactly what he wanted to see: the perfect love interest to swoop him and validate him. Shinji neglected the child, just as broken and wounded as he was, who kept a kind, docile smile because that’s the only way they knew how to cope.

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Anonymous asked:

About the point "Kaworu sexually assaulting Shinji": Shinji was having a panic attack/hyperventilated due to a nightmare- which is why Kaworu tried to calm him down - similar to breathing into a plastic/paper bag. Please don't assume things to prove your point....

queernoctis answered:

Except right afterwards Kaworu started talking about kissing and what it’s like to want to touch people and love people so … .

kawobrine

Sadamoto also states that he [Kaworu] used the “hyperventilation” excuse in order to hide his embarassment (you remember that post that floats around?)

aceworu

^YUP

also it’s pretty obviously framed as a kiss scene, with the pacing, paneling, and emphasis and all that.

Plus the chapter title is “perverse night”

kawobrine

Pardon me, also, but in what facets is KarlShin problematic? Is it entirely that Kaworu does not know any better about certain boundaries (though you cannot entirely blame him or defend him either) or understands rights and wrongs? Or… please elaborate…?

aceworu

I explained a lot of it in the last section of my Loop Theory post, but to recap:

Karl has pretty much no interest in Shinji or his well being that goes beyond his own fascination with lilinkind and his desire to understand emotions. He wants Shinji to care about him and pay attention to him and tell him what he thinks of him, but never seems to show any interest in Shinji as a person.

Even his death, which for ani/qworu was the ultimate symbol of their devotion to the well being of Shinji/lilinkind was entirely for himself.

Their scene at the lake can be particularly uncomfy because karl is basically going “well u dont have any1 else so you’re stuck with me!” Trying to get Shinji to feel lonely or desperate enough to depend on him.

And Shinji never trusts Kaworu or opens up to him. He denies his attraction to Kaworu which probably contributes to lashing out at him and not communicating with him.

It’s true that a lot of Karl’s behavior can be chalked up to his very, very VERY limited life experience and perhaps he can’t 100%be blamed for all of his actions, but that doesn’t change the fact the canon karlshin would most likely be very unhealthy and unstable for the both of them, especially Shinji.

kawobrine

True, true.

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